Drag Radial rules: issues & solutions

[David Hance]

below post copied from "drag radial message board" their are on going
issues that once affected outlaw 10.5 that are now affecting drag radial.
all class members & fans have to be made aware of chassis cert requirements
and advanced et licenses since so many teams are entering the 7.40 range
and prob 7.20's by years end. the world street car challenge race has
advised any team with plans or power to run 7.40's not to make the trip.
will the drag radial class be run under a 7.50 index? this may be the only
answer. i highly recommend any team with mid 7 seven second power obtain
all proper certs and licenses. also read below.

Posted by David Hance on 4/20/2008, 11:49 am, in reply to "revised rules for st.louis"
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We have seen this issue before in our
1/4 mile 10.5 programs in the northeast.
all things considered we went with a 3,175lb
max weight to comply.

for the drag radial class at this years
shakedownw @ etown we will also consider a 3,175lb max weight. chassis certs & advanced et
licenses are yet other issues that will have
to be considered. if your combo can or will
exceed 7.50 def look into certs & licenses.
there is no easy answers or solutions.

what are the options?

1/8 mile races like the immaokolee deal make
for great racing & its easier to level the playing field.

perhaps we can borrow a page from the adrl
separate the power adders?

we can offer non blown combo's big weight
breaks but it might not help the cars that can't get light enough.

perhaps limiting tire size or type?

although i'm not in favor of restricting
power adders (turbo size, jets blower type)
it is an option to discuss. just remember
when you have power adder limits it has to
be policed and that can present us with new
problems.

outlaw rules vs point series rules...king of
the hill races are geared toward outlaw rules
and year long series have more rules & restrictions....when coming up with rules
this should be considered

I like the rules package in place for the
oct 15k bradenton race. however for the
shakedown at etown race we will have to
lower max weight to 3,175. we will also
deduct weight across the board. we don't
want to tell someone they can't run their
best or to slow down. this is NOT a knock
against any other race or any other rules
package. index racing or capping ets may
be the future answer but its not something
i'm interested in for a number of reasons.

this is not gospel or law...just my 2 cents
worth.

Message Thread:

• revised rules for st.louis - DONALD 4/18/2008, 10:32 pm
  • Re: revised rules for st.louis - David Hance 11:49 am Today
  • Re: revised rules for st.louis - Wolfe 4/18/2008, 10:42 pm
    • Re: revised rules for st.louis - Ken Sloat 8:13 am Yesterday
      • Re: revised rules for st.louis - Wolfe 4:18 pm Yesterday
      • how about. - RADIAL RACER 8:30 am Yesterday
        • Re: how about. - Scott B 12:21 pm Yesterday
        • Re: how about. - Kevin 9:26 am Yesterday
        • REVISION - RADIAL RACER 9:11 am Yesterday
          • Re: REVISION - #1 stunner 10:52 am Yesterday
  

[BACARTY]

the only problem i see is if your running twin turbo 3175 that means base wieght 3075 (single turbos' big blocks, blowers, etc) which is great but now your expecting small block nitrous guys to get to 2775


But i love the idea and i think drag radials going to be huge at the shakedown because everyone wats the record

[Brady]

I think the weights need to be 3200#. Maybe next year SFI will have a cert for 3400# cars? Mine weighs around 3300# for what it's worth, but we could get to 3200#.

[gryphon68]

Originally Posted by BACARTY

the only problem i see is if your running twin turbo 3175 that means base wieght 3075 (single turbos' big blocks, blowers, etc) which is great but now your expecting small block nitrous guys to get to 2775


But i love the idea and i think drag radials going to be huge at the shakedown because everyone wats the record

Drop twin turbo's completely and make single turbo/blowers 3175#.

As far as SFI having a cert by next year, don't hold your breath, they've had 2 years since Wolfe went 7.40's at 3360#, they won't spend anytime fixing it until the NHRA requests that it be fixed, and the NHRA could care less.

[Outlaw Bill]

Originally Posted by BACARTY

the only problem i see is if your running twin turbo 3175 that means base wieght 3075 (single turbos' big blocks, blowers, etc) which is great but now your expecting small block nitrous guys to get to 2775


But i love the idea and i think drag radials going to be huge at the shakedown because everyone wats the record

And what is so hard about 2775 for a nitrous car?.

[SBF427]

Originally Posted by Outlaw Bill

And what is so hard about 2775 for a nitrous car?.

with out lexan windows,fiberglass and or carbon fiber doors,dont see how else you can get a smallblock nos car down to 2700lbs.

i am doing a smallblock nos, and i'm at 3047lbs with a all aluminum motor.

[Jeremy Glass]

Originally Posted by Outlaw Bill

And what is so hard about 2775 for a nitrous car?.

What do nitrous cars normally weigh? People arent going to build a car for 1 race. Unless they can pull enough wait out to get to 2775 then its pointless.

Sounds like power adders are gonna have to be restricted.

Id start by limiting it single turbos, 101 max maybe?

[ozone eater]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Glass

What do nitrous cars normally weigh? People arent going to build a car for 1 race. Unless they can pull enough wait out to get to 2775 then its pointless.

Sounds like power adders are gonna have to be restricted.

Id start by limiting it single turbos, 101 max maybe?

so what do u do with the people who have twins that already spent the big money for all these parts? sfi needs to get into the present with their certs. it took nascar the death of earnhardt. nhra almost lost john force. these chassis guys need to wake the hell up already. cars will always get faster so these people should be preparing for it instead of not doing anything and just saying slow the cars down. index racing is the fast mans bracket racing.

[David Hance]

Originally Posted by BACARTY

the only problem i see is if your running twin turbo 3175 that means base wieght 3075 (single turbos' big blocks, blowers, etc) which is great but now your expecting small block nitrous guys to get to 2775


But i love the idea and i think drag radials going to be huge at the shakedown because everyone wats the record

3,175 will be the min weight listed...this does not mean someone
who can't get under 3300lbs can't race...we just can't mandate
or write rules listing weights at or over 3200lbs.

lots of grey area's here so its just best all teams NOW work
on adv et licenses and have proper chassis certs.

the d/r class is getting much better because some many
teams are getting it done...if we had our shakedown race
today not i would think atleast 6-10 guys would be in the
hunt instead of 1 or 2. thats progress.

[Jeremy Glass]

Originally Posted by ozone eater

so what do u do with the people who have twins that already spent the big money for all these parts? sfi needs to get into the present with their certs. it took nascar the death of earnhardt. nhra almost lost john force. these chassis guys need to wake the hell up already. cars will always get faster so these people should be preparing for it instead of not doing anything and just saying slow the cars down. index racing is the fast mans bracket racing.

Its a no win situation, but taking a turbo off and getting new headers made is obviously cheaper.

Nobody has built a car to these rules yet, so not allowing twins isnt going to piss people off. They might be upset that they cant run, but oh well. Its SFIs fault.

[madman]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Glass

Its a no win situation, but taking a turbo off and getting new headers made is obviously cheaper.

Nobody has built a car to these rules yet, so not allowing twins isnt going to piss people off. They might be upset that they cant run, but oh well. Its SFIs fault.

Nick Owens car that I built will fit these rules to a tee. Hance doesnt even know who I am so the rules werent written for me. I know Nick would be pissed if I had to take a turbo off after he paid me to put twins on. I also know Wolfe can get this light.

[excelerater]

the class is doomed to be a rule's nightmare.........
I think drag radial should stick to 8th mile as its safer and levels the playing feild a bit n20 VS Boosted ....3300 should be the base weight nationwide and the only cars than can really get lower in weights are the Stangs anyways ..Poweradders should not be restricted under the hood whatsoever twins,731s w 3 kits,F3s ,alky Bring it! Its the tire thats the limiting factor anyways...The fastest guy doesnt always win the guy with the best tuning ability's wins the race....When its your day its your day....Outlaw 10.5 you see lynch win often but he does not have the most HP in his class nor the largest turbos or engine - But he does have Petty....Nuff said...

But with the price of Deisel these days I am not making any far trips so I have to adjust to the local race rules
but Id love to go back home to Etown and do some shakendown

.02

[craig65]

Originally Posted by excelerater

the class is doomed to be a rule's nightmare.........
I think drag radial should stick to 8th mile as its safer and levels the playing feild a bit n20 VS Boosted ....3300 should be the base weight nationwide and the only cars than can really get lower in weights are the Stangs anyways ..Poweradders should not be restricted under the hood whatsoever twins,731s w 3 kits,F3s ,alky Bring it! Its the tire thats the limiting factor anyways...The fastest guy doesnt always win the guy with the best tuning ability's wins the race....When its your day its your day....Outlaw 10.5 you see lynch win often but he does not have the most HP in his class nor the largest turbos or engine - But he does have Petty....Nuff said...

But with the price of Deisel these days I am not making any far trips so I have to adjust to the local race rules
but Id love to go back home to Etown and do some shakendown

.02

3300 lbs still wouldn't work though... you're right in saying that DR is a rulemaker's nightmare... it's kind of tough to get so light for one race when some organizations don't allow lexan or certain fiberglass or carbon fiber parts... look at WSC the only thing they allow is fiberglass hoods and maybe decklids, there's no way they could have a 3200 lb base weight and still live by those rules...

[Jeremy Glass]

Originally Posted by excelerater

the class is doomed to be a rule's nightmare.........
I think drag radial should stick to 8th mile as its safer and levels the playing feild a bit n20 VS Boosted ....3300 should be the base weight nationwide and the only cars than can really get lower in weights are the Stangs anyways ..Poweradders should not be restricted under the hood whatsoever twins,731s w 3 kits,F3s ,alky Bring it! Its the tire thats the limiting factor anyways...The fastest guy doesnt always win the guy with the best tuning ability's wins the race....When its your day its your day....Outlaw 10.5 you see lynch win often but he does not have the most HP in his class nor the largest turbos or engine - But he does have Petty....Nuff said...

But with the price of Deisel these days I am not making any far trips so I have to adjust to the local race rules
but Id love to go back home to Etown and do some shakendown

.02

Guys are going 7.40s and 200+. I dont see the tire limiting much of anything. They are basically running right in line with outlaw 10.5, just 400lbs heavier.

[mikeyfrombc]

Originally Posted by excelerater

the class is doomed to be a rule's nightmare.........
I think drag radial should stick to 8th mile as its safer and levels the playing feild a bit n20 VS Boosted ....3300 should be the base weight nationwide and the only cars than can really get lower in weights are the Stangs anyways ..Poweradders should not be restricted under the hood whatsoever twins,731s w 3 kits,F3s ,alky Bring it! Its the tire thats the limiting factor anyways...The fastest guy doesnt always win the guy with the best tuning ability's wins the race....When its your day its your day....Outlaw 10.5 you see lynch win often but he does not have the most HP in his class nor the largest turbos or engine - But he does have Petty....Nuff said...

But with the price of Deisel these days I am not making any far trips so I have to adjust to the local race rules
but Id love to go back home to Etown and do some shakendown

.02

Petty stated in the latest issue of HOTROD that the 620ci twin turbo motor in the car makes roughly 3500hp !!!! who the hell is making more then that in OUTLAW 10.5 ???

and i think in general we are all shooting ourselves in the feet !!! we keep building bigger badder combos to get the cars faster yet the chassis rules aren,t changing to suit the combo and weight for the ET,s they run , who,s the fool i say we are cause we don,t build to fit the rules weightwise for ET and then compalin when the tracks/racing bodies won,t let the cars run , it,s GREED on the racers part IMO , i mean lets get real here if they said run what ya brung there would be bottom 7 sec hi 6 sec dragradial cars that weigh close to 3500lbs , that,s a very scary thought to me